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tufl you for watching. i'm tom foreman wishing you all of the best and none of the worst. 24 days until donald trump becomes commander in chief. will it be a brave new world or a world in turmoil? this is "cnn tonight." i'm don lemon. president barack obama said this at pearl harbor today. >> we must resist the urge to turn inward. we must resist the urge to demonize those who are different. >> but the president-elect promises things will be different after his inauguration on january 20. what will that mean for the mideast peace and for the war on terror? and what about north korea and its nuclear ambitions?
plus, she made an iconic character in movies, but she was much more than a princess. tonight we remember carrie fisher. but first i want to begin with the trump transition and what it will mean for america's relationship around the world. here to discuss, c thinn's da h bash. david, i want to start with you. in a few short weeks, president obama will be out, president trump will be in. we're seeing an interesting dynamic as outgoing presidents and incoming are really jockeying for world presence. is this normal? >> trump lobbied against this, he had egypt lobby the position, but it went forward and some are vetoing it. >> some said the president-elect
had to jump in, that netanyahu had no other action. dana bash, i want to bring you in, because there has been some distress on both the parts of democrats and republicans on trump's refusal to accept russia's meddling. >> there are 100 united states senators. amy is on this trip with us. she is a democrat from minnesota. i would say 99 of us believe the russians did this and we're going to do something about it. along with senator mccain after this trip is over, we're going to have the hearings and put sanctions together that hit putin as an individual in hizzonhi his inner circle for interfering in our election. they're doing it all over the world, not just in the united states. >> dana, that's interesting. let's play this out, shall we? assuming the republican senate does pass legislation against vladimir putin and his closest aides, what will donald trump do?
will he side with his aides or with vladimir putin, who is considered an enemy? >> by the time you get to the point where both houses of congress would come up with legislation, pass legislation and get it to donald trump's desk, presumably there will be more evidence that he will find acceptable than what he says he has seen thus far. what lindsey graham said to jim sciutto and said to me, and i think this is a true point and it should be heartening to those who are looking at the balance of power saying it's all one party, and is this really going to be checks and balances, and the answer is yes, and this is a good example. because what he said was imagine if the shoe were on the other foot and russia was meddling to help a democrat, allegedly. imagine what republicans would do, which is why this is not a partisan issue, this is an issue
about national security and protecting american sovereignty and trying to penalize russia, as he said -- and elise knows a lot more about this than i -- not just in america, but countries all over europe and beyond. >> elise, do you want to weigh in on that? >> i think that's very true. there was a concern when donald trump was talking about russia and having a better relationship with russia. what does that mean for issues like ukraine? what does that mean for the syrian civil war where russia was supporting president assad? does that mean that president-elect trump would side with putin and abandon the syrian opposition? there are a lot of questions about this, and i think the actions of senator graham, senator mccain and others in the republican party to show that they are going to keep the heat up on russia and on president-elect trump to make sure that the foreign policy is in america's best interesti.
>> so maybe donald trump won't have it as easy in his own party as everyone thinks he'll have. i want to talk about israel, condemning israel activity. donald trump tweeted, the united nations has such great potential, but right now it is just a club for people to get together, talk and have a great time. so sad. what are you looking for with changes with the u.s. leadership? >> donald trump said things will be different at u.n. when he takes office on january 20. this happened on the halloween weekend. i think thankfully for u.n. members, diplomats have lain low, trying not to react, but i think there is some genuine concern from the international community about what they see as a president who doesn't really see the benefits of multilateral organizations like the u.n., like the european union. the union does count on u.s. leadership, but member states
also don't take too well with the in your face approach. they've always done better at the u.n. when they try to work through consensus. now there is the israel issue. they slam on members to defund the u.n. so if that vote on settlements is not overturned, we could be headed to a showdown. is the security council going to back down and repeal the legislation? i don't know if they will. i tend to think neither will happen. >> i want to go to you because you're out with a piece today in the "new york times" saying trump shouldn't move the u.n. embassy in israel. trump has held a long number of policies and what that could mean for the next four years. >> i think both style and substance, whether it's trying to reverse the current administration's levels to stir the russians and create a new relationship, or abandoned or at least the practice of changing
the practice of a one china policy, or in the middle east, don, where i think you'll see the most market change of all. there is a very high probability that the embassy will move from tel aviv to jerusalem. having advised half a dozen secretaries of both parties, my advice is don't, because i couldn't, nor could anyone else, divide a compelling national interest without weighing the downsides and the risks. so i think dorothy was right when she landed in oz and said to toto, we're not in kansas anymore. all presidents are on blind dates to a certain extent, but on foreign policy where matters get very tricky, i suspect we're in for a few surprises. >> can you explain the downsides and the risks of the embassy? >> yes. the israelis deserve a capital in jerusalem.
the israelis have extended their own law over the entire city and expanded the limits of the city, thereby pre judging palestinian claims. the arab states who have a stake in particularly the saudis, at a time when the relationship with egypt, jordan, saudi arabia, the emirates are really getting much more close together, this could, i think, risk alien aating them. finally, it's going to force every jihadi in the world. in many respects you're pouring gasoline on a fire, and the middle east clearly is burning. >> can i just add one thing to that? politically, it is pretty boilerplate, i think, at this point for president-elect during the campaign to say, we're going to do this in both parties.
people with david miller, this is a case where the president-elect could very well follow through. >> don, could i just add one point. part of the reason is that once presidential advisers, and in this case both tillerson at state and madison at defense, i suspect understand this issue, and will at least acquaint the president with the down sides of doing so. i'm not sure it's fore-ordained, it's just the signals right now are quite powerful. >> i want to see an opportunity of donald trump taking his first month in office. it says president jong-un is racing to create nuclear
weapons. they say, due to domestic political procedures, north korea calculates that south korea and the u.s. will not be able to take physical or military actions to deter north korea's nuclear development. >> he'll be more aggressive in the middle east. he'll move the embassy. will there be palestinian protests? we don't really know. i think he will make bold moves like this. i think his political base expects him to do this. the question is, is he miscalculating? he thinks obama is weak. will these other countries back down? >> what about when he says he wants to expand the united states' nuclear capability and he welcomes a nuclear arms rush with russia. do you think that's dangerous or strategic? >> to be fair to trump, maybe this tough talk, this unpredictability will work, other countries won't cross the united states because they think
donald trump will react somehow. or you could have this nuclear arms race. russia will push back and call trump's bluff. we don't know what will happen. he could succeed spectacularly or he could back down. when we come back, israel's war of words with the obama administration. why they blame the white house for a critical vote and why they're threatening to turn over sensitive information to donald trump. oh, that's lovely...
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for palestinian rights. also attorney alan ber sdershow. he is the author. they are making a council resolution about the middle east and a peace plan. the u.s. didn't veto it, it abstained. why do you think the obama administration is taking these actions now? >> first of all, i think it's fine for secretary kerry to make a proposal for peace. what was wrong was tying his successor's hands by having the united nations security council take the issue and issue a very broad instruction that will make it difficult to take their children to the wall. it was too broad. it was a badly constructed resolution. >> it would make it illegal to settle on the land, it wouldn't
make it illegal to go there to visit. >> a settlement means any building. take, for example, the jewish quarter of jerusalem. the jordanians captured it during a genocide war against israel in 1948. the israelites recaptured in 1987. >> but no state recognizes that. no state recognizes that. >> that's up for negotiation, but the u.n. should declare t. >> jerusalem has always been under negotiation for a two-party. >> that's right, but the u.n. shouldn't resolve it. it should be up for negotiation. if there is no land to offer, if the u.n. has already said this is illegal when it's subject to negotiation, it has concluded what should be concluded only
after negotiation. >> the legality of it is not subject to negotiation. in fact, this is not controversial. the entire world, with the exception of israel and, actually, within israel, it's the right wing in israel that does not agree with this. >> there is no country that recognizes this. >> right. it's one of the least controversial things in the world that settlements and occupied territory are illegal. and it's actually been well established u.s. policy -- >> it's part of the geneva convention. >> it is part of the geneva convention, and the united states has recognized as much not just in this past week, but historically in many different resolutions. i would disagree with alan with the notion that somehow this is tying donald trump's hands. there have been many resolutions like this in the past, frankly, that presidents have ignored when it comes to enforcement. >> this is the only one they've abstained from in the obama
administration, and the only one they haven't backed. >> the only time the obama administration has used its veto was to prevent a resolution criticizing settlements. i think what you're seeing today, this hysteria in response from the israelis, is an attempt, really, to exact costs on any elected officials in the future from ever deviating even an inch from the netanyahu line. >> first of all, there is no israeli leader that believes the jewish quarter of jerusalem, the hospital, the western wall is illegally occupied. nobody believes that. president obama went to the western wall and prayed and put a prayer in it. whatever these resolutions will be, these areas will remain part of israel. but now israel's negotiating position has been undercut by saying that this area has been unlawful. now, who did israel take it from? it didn't take it from the palestinians, it took it from
the jordanians who took it from the jews. remember, the jews had controlled those areas, and as a result -- >> it doesn't matter in terms of international law. it matters in terms of the geneva convention. >> the international is very, very unclear -- >> i understand, but according to the united nations and according to the geneva convention, the argument you're making does not stand. >> jews kill babies and take their organs. the united nations have rendered thousands of illegal resolutions. no one should take seriously what the united nations says about israel. the united nations is a center for anti-israel activities. it's silent over syria but it has resolution over resolution. it's silent over tibet, it's silent over the ukraine, it's silent over israel. nobody should take the ukraine
seriously on this issue. >> the iranians have been building on palestinian territory. and the world has said to the palestinians, be patient. eventually the world will change. if you were in a relationship with anybody, and they have a bad habit for 50 years, let's say yelling over someone with arguments, right? and they refused to change. if someone said to you, look, be patient. they'll change. would you put up with that? it's not just the united nations that has this position. it's every country in the world that's speaking at the united nations, the british, the french, the russians, the americans, everybody around the world except for the right wing radical fringe in israel believes that they need to stop colonizing territory. >> in 2001, israel offered to end all settlements and the
occupation, give the palestinians a state. they said no and killed 4,000 people. in 2008, omer said to the palestinian leadership, we'll give you even more. the palestinians said no. when the palestinians refuse decent offers from the israelis, you can't put the blame on the israelis. >> but it was the offer of the israelis, it wasn't a mutual offer to be agreed upon. >> one side is building settlements -- >> but it doesn't actually stop. >> yes, it has. >> according to the resolution -- let me get in here. >> in 10 months the palestinians refused to come to the bargaining table. >> i spowhat they want is for t not to be any jewish. >> this is prime minister benjamin netanyahu, accusing americans of pushing this through. >> translator: from the
information we have, we have no doubt that the obama administration initiated it, stood behind it, coordinated on the wording and demand that had it be passed. >> the administration denies categorically that it's behind the resolution. >> we reject the notion na the united states was the driving force behind this resolution. that's just not true. the united states did not draft this resolution, nor did it put it forward. we also made clear at every conversation, in every conversation, that the president would make the final decision and that he would have to review the final text before making his final decision. so the idea that this was, again, precooked or that we had agreed upon the text weeks in advance is just not accurate. >> do you view the actions of the united states here as a victory for the palestinian cause, usef? >> this is not about a victory for the palestinians or a
victory for the israelis. whether the united states were or were not behind this, shouldn't have to be ashamed at all for standing up for international law. it's something they have stated for years now from bipartisan administrations that the entire world agrees on. this is not controversial. it's only a problem for one person: benjamin netanyahu, who stakes his entire career on building in the right wing of israeli politics. and he's vested, deeply vested in the settlement enterprise. what you're hearing from him today is about him making sure he can stay in power. in fact, he reminds me of somebody that just got elected here in the united states. >> this is ron dermer. take a listen. >> we have clear evidence of it. we will present that evidence to the new administration through the appropriate channels, and if they want it shared with the american people, they're welcome to. >> why not present it now? >> like i said, we will present the evidence to the new
administration, and if they want to share it with the american people, they're welcome to do it. >> making a charge like that, shouldn't you show the information while the person is in office to respond to it, or at least to embarrass them because they were actually behind it, if you actually do have the evidence? if you did, why wouldn't they say, i have it, mr. obama, here it is. >> here's what's going to happen. they'll be giving it over to congressional leaders, there will be hearings and the truth will come out. if the united states is not behind it, that shows even greater weakness. the united states should have been responsible for this. the whole idea that the united states advocates this idea -- there were meetings between the united states and new zealand and between the united states and great britain. the u.s.'s hand is clearly in this and this has been revised by president obama. netanyahu on this issue represents all of israel.
the entire israeli government is against this resolution because it doesn't limit itself to building settlements in the west bank. it also includes jewish jerusalem which yosef thinks this is part of palestine, but nobody in america thinks that. this is not between america and israel. americans are not behind this resolution. if all of congress is against it, much of the obama administration was against it. this is one man obama and his cabinet against the israeli government. >> there were 14 countries who voted for it. >> they'll vote for anything. if al jeer ya arrived and the u.n. had flattened it. >> for a number of years, they've been aligning themselves with the gop, with the republican party. there are fewer and fewer people who are thinking and talking like you, alan, because the
reality is benjamin netanyahu and the israel that he represents, the values that he represents are looking less and less like the values that liberal democrats continue to hold dear. >> how many so-called liberal democrats are so against this resolution. democrats in the senate are opposed to this resolution. tell me somebody who supports it in the senate. tell me somebody who supports it in the senate. >> it's not about the senate. you look at american public opinion on these issues. >> but we do support views praying up the wall. >> does the brookings institute poll taken and two-thirds of americans are against settlements. >> of course they're against
settlements, but they're not against views praying in the western world. >> we're going around and around here. alan, i've read the resolution, and it doesn't say anything about jews praying. >> of course. what it says is any change since '67. and before '67, these areas, jews were not allowed to pray at the western wall, now they are. this is a change. >> it doesn't say that. >> yes, it does. it says that any change since 1967. that's what it means. i want to ask the obama administration what they think it means. do they think it means that jews can pray at the western wall or not? they haven't answered that question. >> thank you very much. i appreciate it. always interesting. when we come right back, president barack obama says he could have defeated donald trump. guess what the president-elect thinks of that. ax return. and the irs will accept them all. one of them gets you the most money back.
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donald trump's team in a twitter spat tonight with a spokesman for the new york mayor, bill de blasio. here to discuss now, katie mcinerney, press attorney for bernie sanders and matt lewis, commentator. the lesson here is just don't do it. write it and don't hit send. >> #nevertweet. >> a year after twitter started, just don't respond. mayor, i have to ask you. there was a suspicious package at trump tower. the nypd responded. found it was a bag of toys. then a twitter feud ensued. first sean spicer tweeted shortly after the scare, back working at trump tower after a
false alarm. thank you, nypd. then mayor bill de blasio responded, no problem. we'll send you the bill. then it was added, eric, spokesman for bill de blasio, you are an embarrassment to new york city's mayor's office and the amazing nypd. finall finall finally, trump responded, that's not very nice, dan. but about that bill, work on it with us? >> someone needs to remove that device from his hands, anyone in the room. we're still in this president-elect period, but they really got to get a lot more serious about what's going on. i think it's costing new york city about a million dollars a day, 300-plus police officers
with this whole trump tower security. but they respond to every little thing. president obama said something in an interview that any candidate would say if they had the opportunity to run, and, of course, mr. trump has to respond. there is no discipline here whatsoever. now, at some point in time, he might actually have a real press conference like normal people and talk with the press about actual serious things that are important and on the minds of many americans as opposed to the silly twitter stuff. you can't run a government on twitter. no disrespect to twitter. >> kaley, let me ask you, where is the high road? should dan skovino have made a personal attack? >> dan skovino can do what he would like. donald trump is currently the president-elect. i do suspect when he becomes
president of the united states there will have to be some amendments of the twitter usage by him and by his staff. i think he'll still use it in an innovative way, but i do think there will have to be some alterations. he gets a little bit of leeway in this period, but starting january 20, he will have to respect the tone. >> you and i have been doing this for a number of years now, and you say he's going to change, he's going to be more presidential, he's going to do this and that and the line keeps on moving. what makes you think he's going to change? >> the reason i think there will have to be some sort of change is because he simply won't have access to a personal device the way he has that access now. there are all sorts of security protocols that go into this when you're president of the united states. that will bar him from freely using twitter. that being said, i do think you're right in that there is not going to be a full-on leaving behind of twitter, because this is his way of communicating directly with the american people and surpassing the media. which in some ways is good if
used appropriately. >> i'm going to move on because we're running out of time and we have more important things to discuss. president barack obama spoke to david axelrod. this is a long time from having a friendly conversation. it was for his podcast. it was just released. listen to this. >> what i would argue is that the culture actually did shift, that the majority does buy into the notion of a one america that is tolerant and diverse and open and full of energy and dynamism. and the problem is it doesn't always manifest itself in politics, right? i am confident in this vision because i'm confident that if i
had run again and articulated it, i think i could have mobilized a majority of the american people to rally behind it. >> matt, what do you think of that statement? do you think the president is right? would he have beaten donald trump? should he have even said it? >> i don't think he should have said it. i'm going to take up with donald trump here. i think in both examples tonight, the example of bill de blasio's staffer weighing in on the sean spicer tweet that seemed appropriate to me, and the case of president obama, they're starting it. it's not donald trump. president obama is basically saying, i would have beat donald trump. i think maybe it would have been -- maybe that was ill advised. maybe we should be saying, shouldn't president obama be going on podcasts and be talking trash about the president-elect? shouldn't he be respecting the president-elect? >> i said should he say it, but i didn't say talking trash. >> he never said his -- no. >> he was implying that he would have won. i would have beat this other
guy. it's also bashing -- by the way, it's also attacking hillary clinton as well. it doesn't make her look great, either. >> president obama is enjoying the highest approval rating he's ever had, higher than any other outgoing president, so i think he's well within his rates to say, hey, i think i could have articulated a vision and run a campaign and communicated to the american people that we are better off than we were eight years ago, and we can only get better. elect me as president. he was within his rights to say that. he didn't trash talk donald trump. as for the tweets, we just need to leave it off twitter, guys. and sean spicer as the incoming press secretary/communications director/whoever else because nobody wants the job in trump tower, he has more pressing issues. >> things get a little heated on group e-mail around the company and we say, take it off line, guys, take it off line. i just wonder what happened to the high road. maybe president obama should have taken it, but he's talking to a friend.
listen, will you let me finish my point? so if you won and you're going to be the next president, and you hear the previous president say that, you may say, you know what, maybe he shouldn't have said it but i'm going to take the high road because the guy is going out of office, and then when i win, i'm going to do my own thing because i won. i don't have to go to twitter on that. i wonder where the high road is on all of this. we'll be right back. you'll know what's wrong. if you do need a mechanic, just press this. "thank you for calling hum." and if you really need help, help can find you, automatically, 24/7. because you put this, in here. hum by verizon. the technology designed to make your car smarter, safer and more connected. put some smarts in your car.
all right, back now with my panel and we're going to discuss now the upcoming inauguration. so caylee, i have to ask you this. i'm sure you know on thursday the inauguration spokesman told our brooke baldwin that the rockets had sign rockettes had signed on to perform at the inauguration. one of the rockettes found out about the inauguration from screen grabs and they were very upset about it. that prompted a statement from the union that represents the rockettes and it reads in part, madison square garden announcement that the rockettes were being included in the in aug ration as brought up legitimate concern among our
membe members, the theatrical community and the public at large. the company has agreed that all participation in this particular ooer event will be voluntary. >> there were only a certain number of spots to perform at the inauguration and those spots filled up in no time. for the rockettes to say they were forced to perform, that really wasn't the case. they really should get over it because the inauguration is where we celebrate the incoming president, and if you have a problem with that, sit at home, but don't make this a statement about you as a rockette rather than the inauguration. >> mary knows of three full-time dancers who have chosen to decline to perform and one of them is fearful of her standing as a result. it will be interesting to see who doesn't get their job back? but do you really want to work for a company that supports this? i just don't know. it's become a moral issue at this point. what's your reaction?
is it a moral issue? >> i think it is, and i'm proud of those rockettes. i think it's valid for some of the rockettes to come out and say they're fearful they won't get their jobs back. what folks don't know is only a handful of rockettes are full-time and the rest of them are freelance. so you get your job based on if the folks at the top want you. if you're not doing what the people at the top say, your job is in jeopardy. i'm proud that the resistance has made its way to the rockettes and we can't forget that donald trump disparaged women. he talked about grabbing them in the vagina, using words stronger than that, and all kinds of things. we cannot wash over what happened during the general election, the words donald trump has used himself, because that is who he is. >> mayor nutter, i have to ask you, i just spoke about taking the high road. where is the high road? should the rockettes take the high road and come together, as caylee said, as one america? >> i'm not sure we know all the details of this particular situation. maybe there will just be one rockette. >> the rockette?
singular. >> before the break, don, you said, can they take the high road? donald trump has demonstrated he couldn't find the high road with a gps and a flashlight. so it's time for him to make this shift. caylee talked earlier about, well, we're kind of in this period. this is the best it's ever going to get at a certain level. you're the president-elect. you won. let stuff roll off your back. you don't have to respond to each and every little thing that happens that kind of gets you upset, but if you're a spoiled brat bully and you're going to let these things upset you now, what happens when someone actually does something, or like another country, and you're up at 3:00 a.m. thinking about, maybe you'll just blow them up. these are serious matters. he needs to grow up and get ready to be president of the united states of america and cut out this nonsense. >> matt, i want you to weigh in on the rockettes. >> of course you go. if the president invites you to go or his team, it's an
inauguration. it's our president. i didn't vote for him, but if president obama wanted me someplace, i would go. patriotic duty. if i'm a performer, i'm going to put partisanship aside for the moment and go do this. it's a celebration of america. >> but i don't know if it's necessarily about partisanship. i think people could confuse partis partisanship with some of the akt actions that people take or words that they say, and that's not necessarily partisanship. maybe the rockettes are upset about the access hollywood tape. maybe there's other issues that play into it. >> or how they were asked or who asked, you know. how did this come about? >> you show up for the president. if it's something like this, you go. >> i think it's a new day. i think this is not normal, and i think that folks need to stand on their principles. if you don't stand for something, you're going to fall for anything. these days, we have to stand up for something. >> part of my principle is coming together as a country and
honoring the office of the president. whether you voted for the president or not, it's the office. you don't have to get your contract renewed, either. it's a choice. >> you have a choice when you suffer the consequences. when we come right back, she was so much more than a princess. the life and times of carrie fisher. we live in a pick and choose world.
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carrie fisher brought sass, beauty, grit and humor to the role of princess leia in "star wars," make herself a movie icon and a love figure to generations of fans. take a look. >> stop that. >> stop what? >> stop that. my hands are dirty. >> my hands are dirty, too. what are you afraid of? >> afraid? >> you're trembling. >> i'm not trembling. >> you like me because i'm a scoundrel. there aren't enough scoundrels in your life. >> i like nice men. >> i've isolated the reverse power flux coupling. >> thank you. >> she will live on for that role, but the actress and writer
died today in los angeles at the age of 60. joining me now is a columnist and senior writer for editorial weekly. gentlemen, i'm glad you're here to talk about this. michael, i'm going to bring you in first because oyou've known her for years, you interviewed her several times. >> i a dord hdored her, and shee of the most hilarious people you would ever meet. she had this wittingly funny character of bringing everyone down. what i love about carrie is she and her mother debbie were so deeply bonded. they were both presented to the wor world. one was presented as "singing in the rain," the other as very
funny. >> she was very open about who she was, anthony, and we saw the chemistry she had with harrison ford. here they are, they're reunited for episode 7 of "the force awake ens awakens." >> we lost our son forever. >> no, it was snoke. he reduced our son to the dark side, but we can still save him. me, you. >> if luke couldn't reach him, how could i? >> luke is a jedi. you're his father. >> sources say carrie just wrapped up filming the latest installment of "star wars 8" which will reb leaswill be relet year. she raised a lot of eyebrows when it was told that she had aa an affair with harrison ford. what was she like off screen? >> she talked about this
relationship. i don't know if you would call it a fling, but it didn't last beyond the first "star wars" movie. it generated some interest that's a tantalizing little detail, but it's one that i don't think is really key to who she was, it was just a relationship from 40 years ago. i think who she was became a part of princess leia, later general leia, this tough broad. like, she was a tough dame, carrie fisher. she had been through a lot in her life. she was sort of born into turmoil with the sort of divorce of her parents, high-profile divorce since eddie fisher left her mother for elizabeth taylor. the tabloid aspect of life was nothing that was unfamiliar to her. but i think she's so much more than that. she is the heart of the rebellion. she is the firebrand that gets all of the male heroes in star wars moving. right there in "the force awakens" telling han solo, "pull
it together, man." >> snap out of it. >> yeah, snap out of it. you're his father. >> she pretty much dated everyone on the set. she dated a wookie. she was very close with ob obi wan kenobe. i'm kidding. >> her last appearance on the culture might have been about drug addiction. she interviewed with larry king about this. take a listen. >> i didn't like illegal drugs, i liked legal drugs. so i liked medicine. i liked the philosophy of it. you're going to feel better when you take two or eight of these, and i always wanted to feel better. one of the side effects of percodan is euphoria, and i thought that was a side effect i could easily live with. it doesn't matter that the rest of them that follow that are l
palpitations and death. i wanted out for ya. >> you deal with the devil, which one do you go with? but in the process of working out these issues with a self-depp self hi self-depracating humor, she wrote these books about it. >> i think her presence in the "star wars" films will be remembered forever, and we wouldn't have that presence, we wouldn't have princess leia, this tough, galactic warrior spy general without carrie fisher. i know i'm going to miss her, and my little girl who wore ships princess leia and general leia will miss her, too. >> carrie fisher dies at the age of 60. thanks, everyone. see you tomorrow.
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